You're allowed to repost but look to your left first. Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. Can a guy with a gun kill a bender from avatar? [–]armchair_science 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (9 children). Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. Yes. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. Beerus is undoubtedly weaker than Jiren and Goku and Gogeta is hard to gauge where he would place. Even if you were to give a little wiggle room, Jiren got a massive power spike, he'd easily be ahead of Beerus by then. re: Ultra Instinct Gogeta vs Whis Whis sleeps on the likes of Broly and Beerus so if he puts any effort into the UI Gogeta fight at all it would be low-diff. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. No, never, not even remotely close. Jiren in his base form is already GoD tier and his final form well exceeds any GoD. Beerus isn't 2-C because he cannot destroy 2 universes alone. (Christmas). The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. You can be banned for a first offense. Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. Include detail when posting. Users may not make more than 5 Posts per day. [–]armchair_science 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. Jiren was set up as a person who has surpassed the GoD of his own universe and with no real statements or feats as to how that GoD ranks with the rest and could have been the weakest GoD for all we know. Even Beerus can’t get Ultra Instinct correctly. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. They don't individually scale to their combined power output unless you mean Beerus's power is equal to Beerus's and … this feet itself is already impressive enough for gogeta soloing this due to him being suppressed is already well above beerus and jiren so him going all out makes it a stomp. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. Beerus never used his full power in the anime? He GODSTOMPED a beerus/mui goku level character while suppressed. Until actual statements corroborate that and have actual confirmation as to where they rank it’s all a bit up in the air which is part of mystery about gods they seemed to be going for imo. Jiren, in the anime, is confirmed stronger than Beerus. I can see Gogeta defeating the other team, especially with the help of Beerus. Poll Gogeta and Beerus vs MUI Goku and LB Jiren (59 votes) Team 1 68% . And that was before his power boost. It might not have specifically said he was stronger than Beerus, but his reputation and displayed power should say enough. its to big and add ssb to it , it turns to an unholy stomp in favor of gogeta. and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus. Give ssj gogeta who already is ssb goku and vegeta the boost all the way up to ssb and he stomps. We have seen the Hakai technique being overpowered in the show itself. For a guide on flairing and how to filter out flairs you don't like, click here. unknowingly downplay. Beerus didn't even deny it, he just says it was only an arm wrestling competition. I don’t remember seeing that in the movie (though it’s been a while). He was likely at full power when he fought Champa after the baseball game. Goku and Vegeta are also implied to at least know just how much of a gap is between them and Beerus back in Anime RoF since they both cucked down at the mere thought of facing him and have almost faced sleepy Beerus' unrestrained attacks. As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. Beerus is a weak link. So I’ll ask again in case I wasn’t being clear last time do you have any feats that suggest that Beerus is capable of erasing the likes of SSB Gogeta? His shirt wouldn't even come off. Use your best judgment. See more ideas about dragon ball, dragon ball z, gogeta and vegito. I think it’s pretty clear SSB Gogeta is the strongest here, and fusion lasts longer than UI, so I have a hard time seeing Gogeta and Beerus lose. If asked, you must provide evidence for your claims or drop the argument. there is not even one statement where is says jiren> beerus, it was later retconned from the V jump magazine. Instead of the GoD battle royale, the anime had an exhibition match between the two weakest universes, U7 and U9 (the one with the dog trio). Within a minute, /u/WWWtron will have assigned you your shiny new flair. And Just because SSJ Broly couldn’t touch Whis doesn’t mean that Beerus is unteachable. nonetheless every else is fine. We were given literal, direct statements to it. Honestly, there's no reason not to believe him entirely, he was talking seriously about the matter. Sure hes stronger than HIS GoD but that doesn't mean Belmod is stronger than Beerus. There's some dispute about translation, but I think "probably" is the correct term used. "Ultra Instinct Goku is … It would be weird and inconsistent if he weren't stronger than Beerus. Downvoting will never be allowed on this sub. VIEW OLDER REPLIES. The only way to prove it is by comparing the power up diffrences. Don't downvote. Limit Breaker Jiren should be handily above Beerus, especially since he was giving Goku a hell of a fight when he mastered a technique Beerus couldn't. Comments that are a few words and contribute no actual discussion ('lol' or '___ stomps'). Report rule breaking and leave rule enforcement to the mods. Be nice and we'll respond in kind. If Goku and Jiren manage to win before that team 2 takes it. I could see team 1 taking Gogeta against Goku and Jiren agaisnt Beerus. Seal Team Six is tasked with infiltrating Kevin McAllister's compound and killing him. He is currently the strongest fusion out there as … The following post types and comments have been deemed low-quality by the community and may be removed. Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. Then Goku is pretty much dead. Overly broad, vague or opinion-reliant posts. "Your Favorite/Least Favorite" character threads are not allowed due to lack of discussion these types of threads generate. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children). Characters weaker than Jiren and UI Goku like Golden Frieza and SSJBE Vegeta have resisted Hakai. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. Who is stronger? It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. Beerus also stopped the universe 7 destruction, I'd say that's pretty high showings compared to Jiren at least. Apologies go a long way if you mess up. Do Goku or Jiren have a counter to Hakai? Being able to destroy 2 universes in one shot is literally the requirement of being 2-C. Fusion also allowed Goten and trunks to fight way above their individual level that was a significantly bigger boost than any transformation. Check out our Official Submission Template for a few suggestions on how you can structure your battle with additional conditions and formatting to make it more interesting. Ssj vegito was massively stronger than potential unleashed Gohan. Posts must be some form of battle, competition, or challenge or they are considered off-topic/META and should go in our weekly off-topic discussion posts. I’m gonna say Goku and Jiren wins base on feats and power implication and skills, Beerus and Gogeta By Hype. Meta posts, multi-part tournaments, and other non-conventional posts require mod approval. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Present Zamasu ( who was weaker than even SSJ2 Goku.). It's really simple. Posts with no details or specifications whatsoever. As for Broly, I feel he'd be "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" rather than definitively 2-C, since he was stomped by Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, who is debatably in the same tier as Ultra Instinct Goku, and is probably stronger than Beerus. And it pissed me off that they didn't have their unique stuff. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. There's also Dragon Ball Heroes but that's non-canon. No one expects you to be a genius when it comes to every aspect of every character. However, he saw Jiren's full power, and a huge power up on top of that. Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. 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